@ WATON - my point is that the org's "slave" says Romans 6:7 is referring to a person's literal death, when it is blindingly obvious that it is a person's figurative death which is being discussed.
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A question to ask U.K. J.W.'s
by The Searcher in"has the moors murderer ian brady's own death absolved him of his sins?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39929538.
then tell them to explain the j.w.
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A question to ask U.K. J.W.'s
by The Searcher in"has the moors murderer ian brady's own death absolved him of his sins?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39929538.
then tell them to explain the j.w.
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Watchtower May 15th 1982, pp. 8,9 - "The Bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed."
The surrounding verses - 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 & 11 comprehensively prove that the context is figurative:
2 Certainly not! Seeing that we died with reference to sin, how can we keep living any longer in it?
4 So we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, in order that just as Christ was raised up from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also should walk in a newness of life.
6 For we know that our old personality was nailed to the stake along with him in order for our sinful body to be made powerless, so that we should no longer go on being slaves to sin.
8 Moreover, if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.
10 For the death that he died, he died with reference to sin...
11 Likewise you, consider yourselves to be dead with reference to sin.....
Paul was addressing people who were alive but had figuratively died to their former sinful ways. The apostle Peter stated likewise: 1 Peter 2:24 - "He himself bore our sins in his own body on the stake, so that we might die to sins and live to righteousness...."
Claiming that a person's own death wipes out their sins perverts the doctrine of Christ's ransom.
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A question to ask U.K. J.W.'s
by The Searcher in"has the moors murderer ian brady's own death absolved him of his sins?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39929538.
then tell them to explain the j.w.
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"Has the moors murderer Ian Brady's own death absolved him of his sins?"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39929538
Then tell them to explain the J.W. perversion of Romans 6:7 to all the victims' relatives.
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May 15, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Regular Pioneers
by wifibandit inmay 15, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: regular pioneers.
uk version.
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Why did I literally feel my stomach churning as I read this unholy spiel which screamed "dictatorial cult" and "control?" The org's manipulators really know how to reach people's hearts.
It's no wonder that information-savvy J.W. youngsters are waking up and walking away in their droves!
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BBC Panaroma TV - Contaminated Blood: The Search for the Truth
by darkspilver infyi.
bbc panaroma tv - contaminated blood: the search for the truth.
10 may 2017. it has been called the worst treatment disaster in the history of the nhs.
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Medical authorities in the U.K. view blood transfusions as a cause for concern, as well as being beneficial.
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Apostasy endorsed in this yesterday's Watchtower Study
by doubtfull1799 in“there may be occasions when it would be good for us to reconsider a choice or decision.
it could be when the prevailing circumstances change.
jehovah altered his decision at times when circumstances changed.
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Just as SKIN says - double-speak is the WTBTS's fundamental M.O.
My favourite is the one where they preach out of one side of their mouth about Christ's reign being so wonderful.........................
w15 10/15 pp. 19-20 par. 6 - "For example, consider the "Photo-Drama of Creation,"........which concluded by describing the coming, peaceful Thousand Year Reign of Jesus Christ."
w14 1/15 p. 16 par. 15 - "After the Messianic King destroys God’s enemies, he will throw Satan and his demons into an abyss for a thousand years.......The entire earth [during the 1000 years] will reflect the paradise conditions of the garden of Eden.
w08 2/15 p. 28 par. 7 - "....peaceful rest and other blessings that mankind will experience under the Thousand Year Reign of Christ..."
w03 1/15 p. 6 - "Only after Satan is hurled into the abyss of inactivity will the Thousand Year Reign of Jesus Christ begin. What a delightful place this earth will then be! Gone will be wickedness and those who cause it."
........while out the other side of their mouth they say this -
bh p. 214 par. 3; "Those resurrected thus come to life with a clean slate, so to speak. Thus, individuals will be judged on the basis of what they do during Judgment Day."
uw chap. 9 p.76 par.12; "They will be "judged individually according to their deeds" performed after their resurrection."
w82 4/1 p. 25 par. 18; "Both "those who did good things" and "those who practiced vile things" will be among "those dead" who will be "judged individually according to their deeds" performed after their resurrection."
w78 9/1 p. 22 par. 9; "There will then be two outcomes possible. As Jesus indicated, at John 5:28, 29, they will either turn to the course of doing good things or turn to the practicing of vile things."
Come on "faithless & corrupt slave," make up your mind. Which one is Jesus going to use? The "iron rod" of Revelation 2:27 or a piñata stick?
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Jerusalem's destruction.....
by Unstuck inhello all - so me and stuckinarut2 are at the state library proving to ourselves that wt has it all wrong re: 607. i've read at length jwfacts, jwsurvey and crisis of conscience that all go into the subject and i've just downloaded gentile times reconsidered.. while it is fabulous to have someone else compile all the research and evidence for you, it is quite another to see it in print for yourself - and so, here we are.. while we wait for our array of books i couldn't help but share with you how the state library has catalogued jewish history - 586 bc to 70 ad.
no mention of 607 as a key date as far as the library's catalogue is concerned!!
evidence before we have our books!!.
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Sadly, all this factual data will not and cannot be reasoned upon by the vast majority of J.W.'s who are now dumbed down by "the two greatest commandments" - obey the org & believe the org! They will simply dismiss such historians as being inaccurate - as other historians have also been.
Which is why I personally feel that exposing blatant anti-Bible teachings such as confession to 3 elders, "new" scrolls, and the "great tribulation" myth have more chance of success with folks whose thinking has been blunted.
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Reaction of Governing Body Belies More than their Accusation
by carefullyread ina disfellowshiped brother wrote a letter of disquisition to the governing body of wbts a little while ago.
it was not in any way nasty, derogatory, rude, blasphemous, or with profanity but it was civil, truthful, & very informative that some have described as extremely truthful to enlightening, an ebullient disclosure.
i got to see some paraphrases extracted from it that have been circulating quietly or rather secretly passed around & i agree with the latter description.. the governing body was greatly perturbed, alarmed, to confused with this letter particularly as they became aware several of the congregation were also sent copies which some of the local congregational elders raised controversial questions about but mainly was dismissed by them without reading, to scoffing & ridicule but some also saw something more truthful to concern them.
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SIR82 hit the nail on the head: the G.B. couldn't care less what any individual or group of J.W.'s thought or said about the org's doctrines and practices.
That's why each G.B. member has their own little worker-bees - to save them from dealing with the peasants whose only reason for existence is to serve and obey the golden calf of the WTBTS.
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Which Watchtower publications did you keep?
by Schnufti ini'm currently cleaning up our bookcase and need to decide what goes into the trash.
i'll keep the watchtower books that are not available online anymore (e.g.
the brown "reasoning" book).
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I'm just keeping the older WT CD Libraries. That's more than enough to hold onto.
J.W.'s will readily dismiss older publications as "old light," so storing loads of the org's "decomposed spiritual food" seems like a waste of space and time.
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I've got an old Roman coin dated 53 B.C. if anyone's interested in buying it. :)